This is part two in a two of our interview with Dr. Friesen.  If you missed part 1, check it out here.  While this episode focuses more on biohacking and achieving goals in health, in the last episode he focuses more on the fundamental principles of achieving goals in any aspect of your life.

This episode is a grab bag of hacks and systems Dr. Friesen uses himself, or with his clients to optimize their health and performance.  Here are some of the things he recommends:

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For those who have suffered from strokes, brain injures, or even things like attention deficit disorder (ADD or ADHD) he does neurofeedback.  It helps people train their brain to better regulate sleep, mood, and mind chatter thinking patterns.  It is especially useful for those who have a hard time calming their minds at night, or who have a hard time falling asleep.

Another biohacking topic he is really interested in is  preventing cognitive decline, and maintaining performance and health as we age. There are so many things we do now that can affect us later as we age. He shares:

“Poor sleep is going to wreak havoc on us later. We know now there is a glymphatic system in the brain, which essentially washes the brain and removes toxins and byproducts of metabolism while we sleep. This was only discovered five years ago. But if you don’t get deep sleep, you don’t get that cleaning. And poor sleep can predict things like dementia and alzheimer’s and things like that. So getting adequate sleep is extremely important.

To improve sleep Dr. Friesen recommends wearing blue blocking glasses at night after the sun goes down. The best ones are called the UVEX 1933  (Dave prefers these GAMMA glasses which are a little more stylish) you can find a pair on Amazon for  under $10. Look for ones that are industrial grade, so they have to pass standards and they block out 99.9% of blue light.

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At night we expose our eyes to blue light from television sets, bathroom lights, fridges, cell phones, and computers. This light stops the brain from creating melatonin which is a hormone released from your pineal gland. Even for the individuals who think that they have no trouble falling asleep, Dr. Friesen recommends these glasses to improve the quality of their sleep.

In the mornings it is best to be exposed to some light or bright light.  In the winter months he recommends getting a 100 lux light, and putting this in front of you for about 15-20 minutes. It will signal your brain that in 16 to 18 hours, it’s time to shut down. This is resetting the circadian rhythm, and it actually increases the production of serotonin in your brain.

The next topic of biohacking he discusses is negative emotions. Serotonin levels are a major culprit of depression and negative emotions. This is why most of the major antidepressants like prozac target serotonin levels. There are few tricks you can do to improve serotonin levels. Photo biomodulation, is one of them, check out vielight.com to learn more about it.

Amyloid plaques and alzheimer’s disease prevention is also a huge topic in the biohacking world right now.  Most of us think of anti-inflammatories as a remedy for painful joints or a sprain, but inflammation in the brain is also an issue as we age.  Taking anti-inflammatories and anti-oxidants can help slow down these effects. Our favorites are Mimi’s Miracle Turmeric and Mimi’s Miracle Glutathione:

 

Cold and heat treatments are other easy-to-do biohacks that can help with inflammation, neurotransmitter levels, and long-term well being.  Cold showers and saunas (whether at your gym, or an in-house infrared sauna like this) are particularly easy to do, but come with a plethora of benefits. Check out our podcast episode on the Simplified Wim Hof method to learn more about cold exposure.Dr. Friesen uses a treadmill desk like this for longevity, exercise, and shaking up his body posture throughout the day.  Neither standing or sitting for long periods of time is good for us, it is important to alternate our positions and activity levels.

Get the details of how to truly achieve your goals in Dr. Friesen’s book Achieve.  You can find it on Amazon here, or at his website FriesenPerformance.com

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Transcript:

Dave Sherwin: 00:00 Hi everybody, excuse the poor audio just for this quick introduction to this episode, but when I interviewed Dr Friesen and we talked for quite a while before the episode and it was just interesting stuff. I thought it was a great conversation. He’s such a fascinating and educated guy and done some amazing research and that came out as I was just like testing audio and chatting with him about the episode and everything and because I was recording a I decided to use it and in addition he’s a fascinating guy in terms of personally he’s very interested in biohacking and supplements and the latest in technology to be more healthy, etc. And so what we did is we did the original episode that I had planned, but then I took and I questioned him about his biohacking and some personal stuff on supplements and whatnot and I’ve created this episode out of that. The preamble from the first episode which I thought was really interesting along with his kind of personal take on supplementation and biohacking and cobbled that together into an episode that’s going to be a little different than what I normally do, but really interesting stuff. I hope you enjoy this part two of my interview with world famous neuropsychologist, Dr. Chris Friesen. Enjoy.

Intro: 01:17 Welcome to the Dirobi Health Show! covering the world of fitness, nutrition and supplementation. with world class guests. The latest clinical research and plenty of tips you can use right away to boost your health and wellness. Here’s your host, Dave Sherwin.

Dave Sherwin: 01:37 I want to just segue in a different direction now. So yeah, those of you listening, I’m sure you’ve got the idea here about what I meant earlier in the podcast about the level of the information versus some pop psychology or a self help book written by someone who is a well intentioned and successful but not necessarily has thIs type of a level of research and understanding Dr. Friesen does. So, I highly recommend the book. It’s less than 10 bucks on amazon. So it’s very affordable. But I want to change gears from the book, because you are passionate about health and wellness. You described yourself as a biohacker and so now we’re just going to take the risk, any restraints off. Right? And I just, I just want to hear you talk about some of the things you’re excIted about, uh, in, in health and wellness right now.

Dr. Friesen: 02:31 Oh, there’s lots. Yes, yeah, I would definitely call myself a biohacker. I didn’t realize that that word even existed untIl a few years ago and I saw, I think it was Dave Asprey from the bulletproof diet, bulletproof coffee mentioned that, use that word. So when I, when people come to see me in person and also when I work with people over the phone or skype, who have never met, like I’ve done professional athletes, I’ve never physically met in person or, or just like I said, anyone who’s just wants to be in, in whatever they’re doing. I have a very applied neuroscience take on this and just human physiology. This is part of, these are all my passions come together in this, in this area. So like one, one thing for example is, um, that I do a lot because I’m a neuropsychologist and I get people come to me with strokes and brain injuries can multiple concussions or attention deficit disorder, they call it add or adhd, or people just want to be, you know, less moody and more focused is one of the things I do is something called neurofeedback, which is a form of biofeedback, which means you take a biological signal from your own self and feed it back to yourself.

Dr. Friesen: 03:40 And so you can see it on a screen or hear a sound that represents it from, um, you know, um, administering your sweat response on your finger, which is a measure of stress to, to, to all the way to brainwave. So neurofeedback is the same idea, but to brainwave. So for example, individuals who tend to have high levels of negative emotions and stress, they tend to have excessive fast activity in their brain. It’s called beta activity. And those are, like I said, they’re, they’re like trained, like they’re very stable. And if it’s holding you back from being the person you want to be, you can train your brain through neurofeedback to, be able to better regulate that. So in other words, turn it on and off when you leave it on when you need it and turn it off when you need to calm down.

Dr. Friesen: 04:24 So for example, people who have this tend to have a hard time shutting their minds off when they go to bed. Soon as they removed the external stimulation of their computers and other individuals and they turn off the light, they start to tap into all the sound. In other words, all of the chatter that’s going on in your mind, that’s an indication of an active high beta, fast frequency, a brain state that, that can be very helpful in some circumstances. But like I said, when you’re trying to sleep is not very helpful. And so they learn to regulate that. We just recently got the ability to do this at a distance where I can send someone a, a set of sensors and they can do this. And every time they sign in to train, I can see their brainwaves live on the computer.

Dr. Friesen: 05:07 And so it is really, really cool what’s happening with technology. There’s that side of it, but there’s another side that I’m really interested in is, aging and preventing cognitive decline with aging and maintaining performance as we age, maintaining health. And there’s so many areas to this, you know, as you know from a poor sleep is going to wreck havoc on, on this, you, you know, we know now those is a glymphatic system in the brain, which the brain essentially washes itself and removes toxins and byproducts of metabolism in our brains when we sleep. We didn’t think that existed because it was only discovered, I think maybe five years ago now. But if you don’t get deep sleep, we don’t get that cleaning. And we know that poor sleep can predict things like dementia and alzheimer’s and things like that. So getting adequate sleep is extremely important.

Dr. Friesen: 06:02 So from wearing blue blocking glasses at night before you and I do all these myself, of course. So before you go to sleep, you can buy the cheapest ones that are actually really, really good or called the UVEX 1933, I believe is the number on amazon. there are about $10 or $15. They our industrial grade, so they have to pass standards and they blocked, but 99 point nine percent of blue light, which if you get your eyes exposed to blue light from your television sets, from your bathroom lights, from your fridge, lights from your cell phones to your computers at night, when it’s dark out, the braIn will shut off melatonin production, which is a hormone released from your opinion gland at the base of your brain that encourages sleep onset. Even for the individuals who think that, oh, I have no trouble falling asleep when you’re exposed to this, it will reduce the quality of your sleep.

Dr. Friesen: 06:52 If you’re exposed to light, bright light. So that’s another example. You would wear blue blocking glasses. And of course in the mornings you’re within an hour of waking up. You want to be exposed to some light or bright light. so in the winter months, if I get up at six in the morning or seven in the morning to exercise, I have a full, uh, a, uh, a 100 lux, a seasonal effective disorder type light, which you can also buy from amazon. Um, there are about $150 so more expensive, but, uh, you put this in front of you for about 15, 20 minutes, and it tells your brain that despite if it’s dark at where you live at that time, it tells your brain that in about 16 to 18 hours, it’s time to shut down. So This is resetting the circadian rhythm. It actually increases the production of serotonin in your brain, which is a neurotransmitter that controls a whole bunch of things.

Dr. Friesen: 07:39 But one of the main things is negative emotions. Uh, so we have higher serotonin and you’re a negative emotions generally go down. And this is why that’s most of the major antidepressants like prozac, do they affect serotonin? Um, uh, you know, all the way to using photo biomodulation, which is using a different types of wavelength flight that you put on your head. And there’s a company in Toronto called [inaudible], Vilight they sell one that you do not need a prescription for. And this is getting a lot of research right now in terms of you put it on your head. If the light penetrates, the brain affects the mitochondria. we know as we age mitochondria becomes less efficient and it sort of supercharges them. And when your mItochondria working well, you know, your brain works well, your energies are, is higher, you’re better focused, you’re better able to fight off a, you know, bad things happening, like things like alzheimer’s, like amyloid plaques and tao proteins.

Dr. Friesen: 08:40 These things build up in your brain over time and they start way before you notice symptoms like 30 years before you notice symptoms. You’re, you’re getting amyloid plaque and, and those things in your brain. And so there’s so many things you can do. And of course there are supplements. we know, you know, we know that the brain is a highly susceptible to inflammation. Now, I don’t mean when you strain your, your ankle, your, your, your body builds up inflammation due to exposure to toxins due to lack of antioxidants. And so, you know, certain supplements that are very effective for this, that are antiinflammatory and antioxidant, turmeric or curcumin. These are, they don’t just help your joints in terms of arthritis and age-related, you know, joint pain, they actually, there’s research that it can prevent, not going to stop necessarily, but it’s going to reduce your chances of getting something like alzheimer’s or if you have a brain injury, these things are going to help you function better. And so there’s so many areas in so many ways to help yourself age in the most positive way possible and to be as healthy as you can and perform the best you can with where you’re at. And there’s so many different ways to affect this.

Dave Sherwin: 09:54 Well, I mean, you know, this, all this stuff is right up my alley. I’m getting older and, and trying to, be the best I can at my age as I’m sure many people listening are. And, you know, they, they say things like, lose your muscle at a particular rate per year and your athletic ability and all of this stuff. And of course, uh, it, I’m 52 now and in some ways, I’m seeing this and I don’t recover as well as I used to and I am seeing some signs of age, but at the same time I’m stronger than I’ve ever been in my life. I set a personal best this year of a 400+ pound deadlift. I’ve never done that before. And so I’m actually not seeing decline in strength, uh, because I’m, I’m keeping it up the best that I can and I’m even getting stronger, which is, is awesome.

Dave Sherwin: 10:49 And I was really inspired by a friend of mine. I got a friend, he’s, he just turned 65 last week. Actually. My good friend Gary, he plays here in the men’s league, golf every Tuesday with me. He’s a triathlete, he’s done the national championship several times, is a great mountain biker. He is more fit than almost any 20 or 30 year old that you know, I mean this guy is amazing. He’s a machine and he is still performing. Last year he won an olympic distance triathlon in our state, not a tiny one with like 40 people. We’re talking to event with about 300 people, a decent size triathlon one overall age 65. And I’m watching guys like him and thinking, you know, some of these norms are being broken. 50 really is the new 30 for people who decide that that’s the case, you know what I’m saying? Yes. I just think that a society has made some of these claims about losing strength and everything. I got that based on the fact that people let themselves go. That’s my amateur analysis of it. I think people could be very healthy for a very long time. What’s your thoughts on that?

Dr. Friesen: 11:54 I think, you know, I think you’re mostly correct. You know there are genetic susceptibilities, let’s say to alzheimer’s, you have the APOE 3 double of both of those genes. You’re going to have a higher chance of developing, let’s say alzheimer’s for example, and there are some changes with age that are probably inevitable. There’s still wear and tear on the body, but you can definitely, you know, mitigate or reduce these by these lifestyle factors and, and they have a huge effect. So I personally believe lifestyle factors out-predict genetics. It’s just amazing all the things that are coming out now. So for example, in neuropsychology, my sort of field, they have thIs new area of research called super agers.

Dr. Friesen: 12:48 So what we do is we know our cognitive abilities, most of the main ones declined with age. Our processing speed and memory. It just, if you measure people as age or even take a quarter across the different age groups, it’s sad looking. The graphs just goes down like it’s a hill going down the balls rolling down until you get really old. And except for a couple of cognitive ability to stay or get, get stronger, which is like your vocabulary, your wisdom, your knowledge of the world, but all the things, all the other cognitive abilities tend to draw. But there’s a sub group of people, you know, maybe four or five percent that they’re calling super agers where they’re measuring them at 70, but their cognitive abilities are the same as when they were 30 or a 40 year old. It’s a, it’s a really hot topic right now.

Dr. Friesen: 13:35 What is going on? What, what is, what is different about those people? Is it just genetics or is this something they’re doing? And it’s pretty preliminary. But In, in my guests and from what I’ve read and my understanding of the brain, it’s mitochondrial function, which your coenzyme  Q10 effects this, Alcar, you know, these things tend to have a help our mitochondria, NAD+ supplement. That’s a, they think effects and keeps the mitochondria strong. So mitochondria get are the energies, uh, parts of ourselves. They’re actually its own cell. They’re actually a different, actually has its own DNA. It’s amazing if you look into this photo biomodulation does affects the mitochondria. There’s lots of new research about saunas and so I often was originally looking at this from a mental toughness perspective where you take a sauna or do a cold shower, but I’m starting to really realize the, all the physiological benefits of these sorts of activities.

Dr. Friesen: 14:32 So for example, you know, with cold showers there’s an adrenaline response, there’s an increased dopamine, so you feel alert and motivated after a cold shower despite a certain, not despite, but in, in addition to the anti-inflammatory effects, um, the sauna, similar effects, especially when it comes to heart disease. And what I think is one of the things that’s going on is, we live in this very cushioned environment that we weren’t meant to live in. So if you think of where we came from, we didn’t have parkas we, we had, we didn’t have a home heating and air conditioning back in on the savanna, but it would get very cold at night. And we very hot during the day. So our blood vessels are surrounded by muscles and they would get a good workout every single day, um, but these days because of the factors of technology which make things comfortable, we don’t get that.

Dr. Friesen: 15:22 And so now when people go out of their way to expose themselves to cold and heat like saunas and cold showers, they’re getting these great health outcomes and I believe it’s because this is what we’re designed to be a lead the way we’re designed to be living. Just like the light exposure in the morning and the lack of light exposure at in the evening. Because that’s, for my second book, I actually went through all the research to figure out, well how much light in how much blue light or how much of effect on your melatonin does a television screen have, an iphone have, a fireplace, and turns out fire. Even if it looks bright, it has so little and same as moonlight. Almost no blue light. And that makes sense because when we were, where we came from, when it got dark, we would go to bed soon after it went dark and we’d get up around when it got light and that’s what our bodies are designed to do is the circadian rhythm and when we live our lives in line with the circadian rhythm and getting nutrients and supplements we don’t necessarily get because of food processing and fast food, when we supplement, we’re getting back in line with what our bodies are meant to be receiving and doing.

Dr. Friesen: 16:33 But also like for example, supplementation and what we know we can take this to a higher level, you know, we can say, well, as our mitochondria gets older and weaker and less efficient, we can actually charge those to some extent. You know, our muscle mass does decline, like you said, but if you’re not actually a, that’s. If you start to, you know, be less physically active. You get busy with work and kids and driving your kids to soccer practice that there’s, when you have time to go to the gym, for example. So you know, what am I big things is I, about five years ago, I bought a treadmill desk, so it’s a treadmill that goes under a standing desk. So most of the time I’m walking or standing and actually go back and forth because you don’t want to be standing for 12 hours a day either.

Dr. Friesen: 17:14 But the, you know, this is what we’re meant to be doing and when we do this we’re going to age much better. You know? I mean, you still may get cancer, you know, it’s just the luck of the draw. There’s, you can’t prevent everything. But this, this is good. My values when it comes to my values, I don’t want to live with regret. I don’t want to get cancer when I’m 50 to 60 to 72 or heart disease or have a heart attack and no, there’s probably a good reason why I did this because I would have a poor diet. I didn’t exercise, I was too stressed and I don’t want to live with regrets. And the research is very clear and I talked about this in the book. Regret is the worst thing when you do the look at the deathbed literature, people who are dying.

Dr. Friesen: 17:55 Regret is the most painful thing. People don’t regret taking risks. Usually they regret not doing certain things or not taking care of themselves. They’re not keeping in touch with people. Those, regret is the, is probably the worst thing you want. You want to be able to live to a ripe old age and have no regrets that you did everything you could. Even if I got cancer tomorrow, I least for me at this point, I feel like I’ve done everything I could. I didn’t smoke. I didn’t, you know, do drugs. I didn’t, I took all these healthy supplements I exercise and I would have probably had cancer 10 years ago if I didn’t do those things. So I want to have no regrets. And uh, you know, you want to be as healthy and happy as possible. Of course you want to get, take it too far, where you live your whole life, biohacking for eight hours a day where you’re, where you’re doing this out of fear.

Dr. Friesen: 18:43 It has to fit into your lifestyle. Has to be enjoyable, it has to make you feel good and then it’s going to be worth it. So I think these are hugely important things and We’re in a, there’s an explosion of research and knowledge and knowledge that’s a pliable now that because of the internet, youtube, you know, we can get any information about any of these things I’m talking about. Any listener can google this stuff and get a ton of information that used to be reserved for scientists only and now it’s available for everyone and now we can apply it to ourselves.

Dave Sherwin: 19:13 Absolutely. As I’m listening to you, I’m smiling. I’m standing here at my standing desk. Oh, I’m wearing my blue blocker glasses. I actually have some, they’re called gunner. They’re a little nicer looking because people come and go from my office and, and um, and it’s funny because I bought them for the very reasons that you said and yet when I started wearing them, I’ve got a fairly large monitor. You know, I do a lot of ecommerce. I’m online all the time and I like, I got a big monitor so I can have a couple of different things open side by side and do my work and so it’s a lot of light, like you said, compared to a natural forms of light. It’s a lot and I did not realize until I got these glasses that I had eye strain. I didn’t feel anything. I didn’t have any symptoms. Then I got these glasses and I, I kid you not. By the end of the day I noticed I didn’t have the eye strain that I hadn’t even noticed before. It’s a hard thing to explain. All I can tell you is I knew my eyes were bugged and I hadn’t really even noticed it until I got rid of it. Do you know what I’m saying?

Dr. Friesen: 20:17 Yes. I noticed that with now when I’m in the evening after I put my daughter to bed, you know, around 9:00, 9:30, I’m, I, put the blue blocking glasses on somebody it’s actually going to have it on before that. But if I ever don’t have them on, and I’m on my computer, even though I have efflux, you know, f dot lux, sci pro free program that reduces bluelight emissions from your, from your computers. When I put them on my blue blockers, they buy ice train goes down. You don’t even notice until you them on and you feel, oh, I feel more comfortable. My eyes, I guess for squinting or because these aren’t glasses in the sense of, uh, you know, lenses throughout lenses are not, they’re not changing your ability to focus. It’s just blocking out some of these unhelpful lights that are not natural.

Dr. Friesen: 21:02 They’re natural during the day with sunlight of course. But, uh, and I’m sure research is going to come out that there’s other, Dave Asprey calls a junk light, you know, I don’t know if that’s true yet, but I wouldn’t surprise me that we’re going to start to get glasses that block out other wavelengths during the day that are actually potentially mildly harmful to us that are minimizing our production are effecting our productivity. Um, because again, we’re just this giant experiment with all these chemicals in our foods and pesticides and a electromagnetic radiation coming, pmf coming from our devices or wifi. So, you know, we’re in an interesting time. Um, I wonder what’s going to happen in 100 years from now. They’ll look back and go, can you imagine those guys? You know, they had these monitors and things. I’ve produced all this pmf, pmf, know electromagnetic frequencies and uh, we know now that this can cause cancer or something like that. um, I dunno, just like we used to show a back in the fifties, these trucks would drive around and produce these sorts of insecticides, billows of smoke and the kids would run out and jump into this behind the trucks in play, in the smoke. You know, These are insecticides, these are extremely dangerous chemicals. these are, of course, we can’t do that anymore. Um, but back then they didn’t know any better. So I wonder about what we’re doing now that we don’t know any better at this point.

Dave Sherwin: 22:27 It’s, it’s fascinating stuff. And, you have been a fascinating person to have on the podcast. This has really been phenomenal and you’ve been very generous with your time. As a matter of fact, I can tell right now I probably need to break this podcasts under part one and part two because there’s so much great information here. I appreciate it so much. I can tell you’re very passionate about what you do. You’re very knowledgeable about what you’re doing and thanks so much for taking this amount of time for my audience. It’s so appreciated. Um, is there any final closing thoughts that you’d like to leave with us before we sign off?

Dr. Friesen: 23:23 I would say to the listeners, you know, really try and figure out what is important to you. Get in touch with those values and, you know, just take some of the strategies that I mentioned today to help yourself, you know, take action, do the things you know you should be doing and you want to be doing and take little steps, you know, whether it’s adding a new supplement, turmeric to reduce inflammation to your knees. It’s going to probably, we know that there’s new research showing that it’s good for your brain, you know, look into these technologies because this is going to be standard practice in the next 10, you know, 10, 20, 30 years and there’s so many to improve yourself with relatively minimal effort, um, and just minor tweaks and, and, and these can go this, this just change your life and because there’s so many things from fatigue and brain fog and these things that are holding us back, but there are little things you can do that will reduce those effects and just give you a happier, healthier, more meaningful life so they can do the things that are important to you. So that’s my advice, I think.

Dave Sherwin: 24:13 Wonderful. excellent stuff. Thank you so much. Dr christopher freezing, from, well the website is an agora neuro psychology.com and we’ll put a link to that on our website if you, those of you listening, if you go to [inaudible] dot com and click on the blog, that’s dirobi.com. And look for this episode, a freezing is spelled friesen and Dr. friesen you also have friesen performance.com. Is that correct?

Dr. Friesen: 24:46 Yes, that’s right. One is the freezing of performance is more geareD towards people looking just for peak performance athletes and uh, other high achieverS. Um, the, the niagra neuro psychology is more the clinical side where I work with patients with adhd or brain injuries. And If you go to the bottom of the neuro psychology, there’s a section is six sections you’ll see once called a neurofeedback and neuromodulation if you click on that and there’s lots of educational materials about different technologies and different things to make your brain perform better. I’m not selling them, it’s just the information. And in my practice I do use these things, but uh, from ted talks to scientific papers to you name it, if you’re interested in any of these things I’m talking about with the brain, definitely check that part out. It’s not covered on the freeze and performance a website. But, yeah, that would be, I think, useful to some of your audience members.

Dave Sherwin: 25:38 Okay. Outstanding. And you can also find Dr. Friesen on facebook, facebook.com/freeze and performance. And with that everybody, thanks so much for listening and this and that, my friends is the end of the interview, but there’s more bonus material as I mentioned in the beginning, the discussion I had with Dr. Friesen in preparing to do the podcasts was quite interesting and a lot of things came out. Little nuggets. A, he’s such a interesting guy, was, has done so much research and currently working with so many high achievers. And just the preamble and preparing for the show is fascinating. So I, had recorded that as I mentioned because I was hit record right at the beginning to test audio and all that. And so now this bonus content of the behind the scenes stuff with dr chris friesen, I hope you enjoy and are enjoying this two part episode the to the first ever two part episode on the Dirobi health show.

Dave Sherwin: 26:31 Thanks very much. And here we go. I’m most of the way through your book. I’m really liking it. Just so you know, I’m, I’m kind of a personal development buff like I’ve been to, of conferences. I’ve read a lot of books. I’ve been a stephen covey events. I’m one of these people that I don’t listen to the radio when I drive in my car. I’m listening either to a book or a podcast. And so this stuff, this information is near and dear to my heart and I’m also intrigued by things you touched on in your book or your book isn’t really about it, but you touch on, the, the evolution of the self-help or personal development or human achievement movement, whatever a title, title people give. Right? I mean, it sounds like you, you are a little bit of a, a historian somewhat in that, in that field as far as understanding the evolution.

Dr. Friesen: 27:28 yeah. I, you know, I, I’m just, like I said the book when I was teenager, I discovered Tony Robbins and Stephen Covey and you know, I haven’t read, I read a lot of self help and I haven’t read every book. Like, I haven’t gone back and read, you know, you know, thinking grow rich, I’m, I’m even how to win friends and influence people. I haven’t read those. So that’s sort of. So I wouldn’t be, I wouldn’t categorize myself as a complete historian, but I, I’ve read a lot of self help books and, and just like I say in the book that I really tried to make this book kind of, you know, taking out the things I didn’t like from other books that were maybe too academic or constantly talking about studies, no author experience, that kind of thing. And you know, kind of in a way making it in my way, my thinking for myself and all star team of what to include, what not to include in a book.

Dr. Friesen: 28:26 You know, worksheets, things like that that were in the, that are Included or you, you joined of course the mailing list and I send them to you in. There’s no upsales or anything like that. I was going to. Before I forget though, I, you know, I was looking through more of your podcasts and I listened to that one, this morning and I big part of what I do. There’s that book and there was a peak performance side of it and there’s another side of, about half of what I do is still clinical work and I’m a neuropsychologist and I just looking at the content of your, you know, what you have. I do a lot of work with head injuries, people just trying to prevent aging. I’m big into supplements and I know a lot about supplements but I don’t as a neuropsychologist in terms of my license, I can’t prescribe a supplement.

Dr. Friesen: 29:16 So if you want to talk about any of those things as well or biohacking, I’m huge into biohacking. I’m going from cold showers to obviously meditation, neurofeedback, you know, everything you could imagine to supplements I take, I just took a huge amount of which I do every day, a infrared sauna and I know. So I’m, really open to talking about because a lot of people think, this guy just wants to talk about his book and you know, I’m open to talk about anything you want to talk about and if you feel it fits your audience better

Dave Sherwin: 29:48 or whatever. And you mentioned that in your book how you took an interest early on in, in health. And I moved that up and my show, there’s, there’s three major topics. I keep it pretty broad because to be honest, I like doing this and I want to talk about what I’m passionate about and if people like it, they can like it and if they don’t they don’t. But I do try to stick within, three major topics generally and they are. Nutrition is number one because nutrition as far as health goes is more important than exercise or supplements, right? Number two is exercise. And number three is supplementation. Now that being said, now I own a supplement company. I don’t know if you went to my website, but that’s, that’s the background of, you know, I do own a supplement company.

Dave Sherwin: 30:39 Um, but the purpose of the podcast and our content is, our goal is not to be a company that simply ships out thousands of bottles a month to two buyers. It’s more than that. The reason we ship out these bottles is to fill nutrient deficiencies and, help people in their overall quest for health, which we recognize as a supplement company. The supplements are just what the name implies. They’re supplemental to these other things. And so this is, this podcast is my attempt to share my whole, you know, my enthusiasm for health and everything to do with health, nutrition, exercise and supplements with my audience. And your material is awesome because of course these are all human beings who we can all improve in some area. And so your general message is applicable, but of course getting specific more into the realm of health makes it more applicable to my audience.

Dr. Friesen: 31:48 Great. Great. Well, it’s, it’s interesting because my recently my I wouldn’t say kick this is I’m 42, so I’m going on since I was 16, but the big focus right now is, is my, what happened is that the book was actually series and I’ve written a chunks of the other books in this series, but it’s gone on the back burner because my clinical practice and not just clinical, so the peak performance practices together in the same place as is just booming. And so I, I’m a, I’m so busy with that and I, and I’ve been so focused these days on, I’m just biohacking in general for health from like I’ve ordered my Oura ring, which I haven’t gotten yet of course. So, but I’m checking my hrb on a more every morning. Doing very similar things with my clients, whether they’re clinical anxiety, head injuries, you know, early stages of alzheimer’s or their peak olympic athletes, you know, writers, you know, business people, whatever it may be. So, so I’m really into any of that stuff of peak performance and what you can do in peak performance and health of the same in a lot of ways. So, you lead me wherever you want me to go because it’s my favorite topic in the world. So

Dave Sherwin: 33:08 let’s, let’s do it. Just the way you just framed it. Let’s do peak performance and health. Yeah. Perfect. That’s great. But the reason why, but let’s lay a groundwork first because the reason why I asked you about the historical stuff is because early on when you start talking about personality and you hit on how, you know, if you’ve had some kind of fluffy pop psychology, say a personality test, it may not be that meaningful to helping you really achieve her goals. Correct? Yup. Yup. And corollary to that, I think there’s quite a Few people. I’m big into personal development personally and I, I love the term personal development and I take it at face value improving yourself, but a lot of people have a negative connotation about self help or personal development. They picture some, a loud mouth guru spoutIng pop psychology and I’m a fake motivation that doesn’t last it. I, I’ve learned over the years that when you say self help or personal development, it means different things to different people. That’s why I want to have that discussion right out of the gate and let people know, hey, if you have kind of a bad taste in your mouth from having some guru, try to sell you an expensive program. I’m on, you know, getting pumped up. This is not that. No,

Dr. Friesen: 34:37 no. Exactly. Exactly. Yup. Yes. Anyone can call themselves a guru right? At this point things have changed, you know, the, the, there’s like a group I was involved in in, in, you know, they’re of the opinion which I didn’t agree with, but that having like a doctorate is actually a hindrance in terms of the self help realm. I don’t agree with that. It depends how you do it. But the, the fact that anybody can publish a book, for example, start a podcast, you know, is, you know, it’s, it’s a noisy environment. And, and, I say, of course you can tell him, I said the stuff in the book is exactly how I think it’s the. I said I think I say this exact thing is, you know, you got to know who’s giving the message, you know, maybe maybe they have no credentials, but they were, let’s say a navy seal or, or they did, they really bought themselves from zero to hero.

Dr. Friesen: 35:35 And so yeah, they have useful things to say, but it, it can go both ways, right? You can give lots of something that works for yourself, doesn’t necessarily work for other people. So you can, that’s why research becomes important and of course not everything’s been researched so that there’s this fine line of being able to look at something and decide this is the research to support this and if not, is there a theoretical reason to support this? And you can think of supplements. And, and so for example, I take all, I take turmeric and ginger and know fish oil and vitamin d and a NAD+ and you know, all sorts of things. And let’s say NAD+, and in terms of like, let’s say longevity, a mitochondrial function, a function, is it actually, is there a strong human clinical trials? No, theoretically, does it make enough sense for me to take it? Yes. Would I tell every person that walks into my office to take it? Not necessarily, I would say you check it out, but you know, so there’s that fine line of, yeah, you know, a guru, someone to self proclaimed guru and then I try not to be a self proclaimed guru either. Um, um, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I want to record this to put it on the show.

Dave Sherwin: 36:52 Frankly, I’m tempted to just take what I’ve already recorded and worked with in somehow. Sure. I’m going to say, hey, in our preamble there is some great stuff. I’m going to play this and maybe play it at the end or who knows what, but, but let’s go through it and see how it comes out. And by the way, I’m seeing just what you’ve told me about supplement so far. When we’re done, remind me to send you a couple of samples. I generally give a coupon or a voucher to my guests as a thank you for being on the show. Unfortunately I can’t ship into Canada. Oh, okay. Generally, generally I can ship in one or one or two here and there and so, but we don’t take orders through our shopping cart to Canada, but I want to send you if you have a minute, make sure and check out mimi’s miracle multi.

Dave Sherwin: 37:40 Okay. Yeah. In that multi. Yeah. Tell me if you aren’t impressed. I, I think you will be like, just from what you’ve told me so far because it’s based on the things that most people are most likely to be deficient in, in the right amounts, not necessarily what the FDA thinks are the right amounts and so I’d be very intrigued to hear your opinion on that. And I want to send you some also are tumeric is the only human clinically studied tumeric in the United States right now. Really a clinical study with 120 people with osteoarthritis in their knees. Oh, nice. Wow. Yup. and guess what it was, it was amazing. It was the best supplement clinicals you can imagine as the placebo group, of course, basically had no change. The control group had reduced pain in seven days and by the end of 60 days, 94 percent reduction in pain, increase in flexibility, increase in mobility and, and decrease in inflammation.

Dr. Friesen: 38:41 Yeah. Wow. Wow. It’s a phenomenal supplement. It’s interesting. And again, you might want to keep this for the show, but 2010, I was, as you know, I’m a neuropsychologist and I was at the National Academy of Neuropsychology. I believe it was a conference in Vancouver and then I see American National Academy. But, uh, the one of the top alzheimer’s researchers in the world was there and he said, you went through all the latest and greatest research and he just made this offhand comment, that one, you know, one thing that he’s taken away from this is due to the, you know, this, there’s, there’s evidence and there still is, that there’s an inflammation problem in the brain is a, that the animal studies and some of the clinical studies in terms of turmeric and curcumin, producing this. And he says, well, I take a supplement every day.

Dr. Friesen: 39:36 And ever since that day, well, of course I had to come home. I purchased turmeric. I’ve been taken ever since. so, you know, it’s one of those thIngs, you know, as inflammation is a huge problem in the body and the brain. Even people depressed or finding their brains are inflamed. It’s a, it’s very interesting of what’s, what we’re figuring out now. And it’s connecting the mind and the body. They used to have really think they’re separate, but they’re extremely intro, intricately connected. And what’s good for the body is good for the brain, generally.

Dave Sherwin: 40:11 Interesting. Another great topic to touch on by the way. Yeah. If you get a minute, listen to my episode with tony molyneux are the phd chemists who did the clinical studies on the turmeric. He used to be a formulator for a company that manufactured the kirkland brand of supplements. And then he went over to this company that had now has the patent on the ingredient that we’re using in our tumeric. Very interesting episode.

Dr. Friesen: 40:42 Cool. Yeah, I definitely will.

Dave Sherwin: 40:44 Okay. Well this is excellent. Uh, yeah, this is, um, outstanding that you have this, this, uh, health and supplement a knowledge and you know, you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re running. Of course, the big differences. What I am is I’m a business owner and a health enthusiast who’s trying to gather experts like yourself and just deliver as much good content as I can can to my audience. And my audience, and I think this is important to mention, I would consider them the same. These are not level three athletes. These are level one and two athletes. People who are like me, they’re enthusiasts there may be preparing for a 5 K or a marathon or they maybe want to lose 30 pounds. They’re, they’re normal people, normal people with, with a strong interest in health. So I just wanted to say that, and you probably might have assumed that any way, but I just wanted to point it out.

Dave Sherwin: 41:43 That’s, that’s who’s listening. Good. Good. That’s good. That’s when I do these, this generally if who I feel like I’m talking to people who are interested in, but they are action oriented as opposed to, oh, you need to take care of your health. That’s right. They wouldn’t be listening to this podcast know, say they weren’t enthusiastic about health. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Well with that, let’s just jump in and see where we end up. I’m sure. sure. I’ve, I’ve made a few notes from a what I’ve heard so far in the book and we’ll just start with that and go where ever it takes us. Yeah.

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